My interview with Bo Chappell

  • What is the first book that made you cry?

Hmm. There is undoubtedly something I’m forgetting, but the one that popped in my head was Watchmen by Alan Moore. The unexpected connection to the isolation and dissociation Dr. Manhattan was feeling as he was losing his connection to humanity to the point of longing to abandon everyone on Earth…that hit me dead center at the time of reading it. Dealing with depression, life can too easily lose its magic.

And the hauntingly beautiful way in which Moore described, without cynicism, that dwindling interest for the miraculous incalculability of individuality spoke directly to me at one of the dark times in my life. I was very cynical of life and occasionally still find myself there against my own wishes. It’s tough thing to wrestle with, and reading how a happy man unwillingly turned into a god describe the transition to a startling yet deceptive viewpoint on his loss, it was tear-jerking.

  • Does writing energize or exhaust you?

It can do both. The thrill of a good idea spilling evenly onto the page can keep you continuously pouring. But that can quickly drain you. (pun…Intended) I often find myself write huge chunks of material, then have long periods of recuperation before heading back in, all because I was just too thrilled to get a concept out of my head. But if I couldn’t get it all out in that session, that encourages me to return sooner than later. I tend to operate that way instead of pacing myself. I save the pacing for editing. Never force the creative part.

  • What is your writing Kryptonite?

The interwebs. The greatest tool is also the greatest distraction. I can be looking up something and find myself watching some weird ass animation completely unrelated to my topic. Knowledge is power, but abundance is distracting.

  • What authors did you dislike at first but grew into?

I can’t say I’ve had that happen to be honest. I don’t get to read as often as I want these days, and everything I read is a special commitment.

But I have had the opposite happen. One that comes to mind is Frank Miller. He had a particular grit about him coming up as a writer that served him well, but then it felt like he was feeding off his own material and got Mad Frank’s Disease. Now all his writing just comes off as brutal shock value, and the characters lose themselves to his own ego about twisting them into darkness for no reason.

  • What’s your favorite under-appreciated novel?

Again, I’ll let my brain pop call this one and say Marvel 1985 by Mark Millar. I wish it would get turned into a movie badly. Imagine Stranger Things set in the Marvel Universe.

  • What kind of research do you do, and how long do you spend researching before beginning a book?

I research EVERYTHING as much as humanly possible before and during. I’ve even encountered new things during research that changed my story drastically.

There’s that word that should be VERY important to all writers.


I remember watching a documentary about the making of the Richard Donner Superman movie a long time ago and learning that word. An audience doesn’t have to believe a man can fly in real life, but can you make them believe one can presented in his own universe to the point they never question it?

So doing a lot of research about everything can help you flesh out those things you or a reader would question. For example, in my book Year 47, I bet no one cares how much research I did on sewer layouts, elevator engineering, and making a makeshift torch. But I did. Even though it couldn’t be more fiction, I wanted to make sure nothing seemed implausible​ because if the reader slips out of the story, it’s hard to get them back.

  • What period of your life do you find you write about most often? (child, teenager, young adult)

I have to be cliche, but I focus on the younger years and their impact on who a character turns out to be. There’s so much constant calculation and adjustments going on growing up, finding out who you are is just naturally more interesting. And when you’re well defined, people want to know how you got there. That’s why superhero origins and adventure tales with kids are so damn fascinating.

  • Do you Google yourself?

Yes. With both my writing and my art, I love looking to see where my stuff travels and how people are connecting to it. I don’t consider it vain to want to find your real self by sifting through the definitions of all the pieces of your soul you have the courage to share. To quote Leonard from Memento, “We all need mirrors to remind ourselves who we are. I’m no different.”

  • What is your favorite childhood book?

The Five Chinese Brothers. My favorite part was when you had to turn the book sideways for the two page illustration of the one brother stretching his legs to the ocean floor so as not to drown. Anything that can pull you in and show you there are no rules for how storytelling or anything else can work is magic.

  • What one thing would you give up to become a better writer?

The one thing you have to give up already. Time. Though, it would be cool to skip increments of practice and trade a couple years off to be better. It might be foolish, but I’d be tempted.

Thanks for having me on your blog. Anyone reading can find Year 47 available on Amazon.

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My interview with The Alexandria Archives

What are the 3 best things about working on The Alexandria Archives?
1. We all three work jobs that can be pretty stressful and not exactly what you’d call creatively stimulating. The podcast gives us a chance to exercise our creative roots.
2. We have an excuse to regularly collaborate with each other.
3. We get to be a part of the podcasting community, which is one of the most gracious and friendly groups imaginable. Seriously, everyone has been so great! We’ve gotten to meet some really awesome people.
What is your favorite thing about being a podcaster according to you?
Suddenly, ideas that were just concepts, characters that were just scribbles on a page, are gaining voices, the world is being created more and more every week, and what’s more– whereas before these ideas were shared and giggled about between a few friends– now thousands of people are hearing them every episode. That’s pretty cool.
How did you stumble into the world of podcasting?
We wrote a game module for a tabletop game that took place in Alexandria, where one of the mechanics was the local radio host, Morning Wood, explained what weird stuff was happening on campus as it was happening. After that, the three of us joked about making a podcast based on that so much that it eventually happened.
What was the first podcast you listened to?
Uri: Maybe Hardcore History or Numenera: The Signal
Nicole: PopStuff by HowStuffWorks
Aaron: Coast to Coast AM with art bell
What is your writing process?
First, we decide on an episode theme. One of us will do the bulk of the scripting while the others weigh in. Generally the rule of thumb is one of us is writing the story, one of the others takes point on the script. Once the script and story are completed to satisfaction, recording can start!
What was the inspiration for The Alexandria Archives?
The setting is a world that was developed originally by Nicole. Eventually, she let us in on a little piece of that sweet pie, and now our fingers are covered in rhubarb.
What do you like about audio drama as a medium?
We’re all big audiobook fans. The thing about audio is that it forces you to listen. It forces you to be in the moment, to be engaged because it divorces you from the benefit of being able to see what the characters are doing. So we use sound effects, dialogue, exposition, to infer the situation. It means the listener has a certain amount of interaction because without their imagination, it’s just sounds coming out of their speakers.
How does getting the script made into an actual audio drama work?
Since we’re all in separate states we start by gathering the individual pieces of audio. Then whoever is doing the editing will take time by reading the script and familiarizing themselves with the flow of the scene. Since our podcast is half audiodrama taking place inside a radio station, and half fiction reading, the episode is often split into two parts: the radio and the story. For the radio, what’s most important is the timing. Making sure the cuts sound natural, like everything was recorded in the same room, even though it’s all separate pieces of audio.
The next piece is the story, which has less piecing together to do, but has the added process of deciding appropriate sound effects and ambient music that fits with the story. Sound effects can make or break the story if they come in too soon, they’ll make it hard to hear the narration, too late and the scene will have moved on. They have to strike a balance so as to less take away from the story as underline the important aspects and pull our listeners deeper into the narrative. Same goes for the ambience music which can convey tension, fear, movement, anger, depression, etc. It’s a pretty involved process.
How do you go about getting others involved? Particularly if they’re far away?
We ask them nicely. We love working with other podcasters, they’re always eager to help because they know the headache of trying to find people. Networking is important, as long as you remember that friendship isn’t a one-way street– we’re always happy to help our fellow podcasters where we can.

Could you tell us a bit about the process to turn a script into a finished audio drama. Which part do you enjoy the most? 

Seeing it going from an idea on the page to hearing it all come together is pretty surreal. Hearing the story narrated for the first time is a personal favorite – there’s something about putting a piece you’ve seen come together from a first draft into someone else’s hands to hear what they do with it that’s just awesome.



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The Nightmare Magazine

The Nightmare Magazine is a podcast full of stories of horror and dark fantasy and is perfect for all types of horror fans.

In this monthly podcast, you’ll find stories of all genres in horror and everything in between.

If you’re looking for horror in general, this is the podcast for you.

Never get the same thing twice, but always get a eerie and perplexing story.

Edited by bestselling anthologist John Joseph Adams, every month Nightmare will present you with a mix of new stories and reissues, and will feature a mix of different authors.

Nightmare also publishes nonfiction and Q&As with our authors that go behind-the-scenes of their stories.

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My interview with The Blood Crow Stories

The Blood Crow Stories is an anthology series of horror stories. Their first season highlights the story of the S.S. Utopia, a cruise ship in the early 1900’s. Modern-day college student, Max, begins to do his thesis on the audio diaries of the passengers on the ship. What he didn’t know were the horrors that were waiting for him among the tapes, and why the ship sank so mysteriously almost 100 years ago

 Below is the interview I was able to do with Ellie Collins, one of the creators of this audio drama.

 What are the 3 best things about working on The Blood Crow Stories?

 The cast and crew are the best I could’ve dreamed of. There’s so much opportunity to really go full out with writing. And hearing it all come together.

 What is your favorite thing about being a podcaster according to you?

 For me it has been that no matter what type of show I make, I get to tell stories. Personal stories, media stories, and now fiction stories. Storytelling is, to me, one of the oldest and most profound forms of arm. I love it.

 How did you stumble into the world of podcasting?

 I was asked to guest on a podcast a couple times, they liked my hosting style, and put me with a couple other hosts and launched us with a spinoff show.

 What was the first podcast you listened to?

 Oh, hmm, probably This American Life.

 What is your writing process?

 I have a cloud based scriptwriting site and app. The script is pretty much always open in front of me, and I create the frame work then go through the episode and do a lot of talking to myself as characters lol. I’m pretty much either writing or brainstorming in every spare moments

What was the inspiration for The Blood Crow Stories?

For the format of the show it’s American Horror Story, with having a new story every season. SS Utopia draws inspiration from the video game “BioShock” and the movie “Alien”. There’s also a touch of just Guillermo del Toro in there stylistically.

What do you like about audio drama as a medium?

It creates such an intimate relationship with the listener. It’s not just a screen that can easily ignored. You’re right there in their ears, and you have a deeper ability to affect your listeners. Also, with that level of intimacy, it makes you really step up your game. You can’t cut corners to put out a truly quality show, and we work to improve all the time.

How does getting the script made into an actual audio drama work?

We have a scheduling system we set up, everyone puts down what days they can do, and we schedule. Then when people come in they record either together or by themselves, depending on how they feel about that scene. Then we put together the vocals, and go back and do a foley session for sound effects, and add those. Then our audio engineer, Scott, takes the 40 tracks of audio and pieces it together and we tweak and tweak until we have it just right.

How do you go about getting others involved? Particularly if they’re far away?

Everyone for us is local mostly. And we have all been friends for a long time. With Atlanta’s budding film industry, I’m lucky to be surrounded by such massive talent. We had a guest star, Lauren Shippen of The Bright Sessions, and she just sent us three takes of each line and we chose from what she sent.

Could you tell us a bit about the process to turn a script into a finished audio drama. Which part do you enjoy the most?

Honestly recording everyone is my favorite part. We had a long lead time up to the season so everyone had a chance to settle in to their characters. We actually get most of our dialogue in one take because everyone is so talented. It’s amazing to hear them breathe life into what was on paper, and sometimes they have amazing ideas that make their way into the show

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My interview with Nicholas Thurkettle

Nicholas Thurkettle is a writer, actor, and filmmaker, working independently in Los Angeles and Orange County with the continuing goal of bringing good work to audiences anywhere he can find them.

He is also a part of Earbud Theater and I had a chance to interview him a little while back.

What are the 3 best things about working in Earbud Theater?

First – the creative freedom. Casey Wolfe really believes in letting storytellers follow their impulses; and I think it shows in the broad range of tones and ideas that all fit into the “Earbud” experience.

Second – The live shows. These have really blossomed in the last year and a half to become an experience all their own; incredibly fun and energetic. We have people who are fans of the live shows who don’t even listen to the podcast (much as I’d like them to, ha!)

Third – the chance to experiment and play with audio as a way to stimulate the imagination. As a listener, by providing your own visuals, your relationship with the story becomes so much more private and personal.

What is your favorite thing about being a podcaster according to you?

The ability to get an idea out there into the world in a finished format.

I’ve produced theater and directed short films and published books, and no matter what you do there’s an incredible amount of labor and effort involved if you want to deliver something that’s polished and high quality.

Earbud Theater is a lot of work, but when you see how few people it takes to create a fully-realized story with giant scope and imagination, it’s pretty addicting.

How did you stumble into the world of podcasting?

I had written a screenplay called Habitat that was designed to be a microbudget sci-fi feature film – and I still intend to bring it to life that way someday!

I took it to a producer I have been friends with for many years, named Branon Coluccio, who has outstanding taste and usually very savvy advice.

He was involved early on in Earbud as a partner and adviser with Casey, and he was the one who put the two of us together, telling me that with a little work, Habitat could be translated into a very good audio drama.

He was absolutely right, and I had so much fun I had to stick around!

What was the first podcast you listened to?

Probably an episode of This American Life, which is really just a repackaging of their radio show.

For podcasts that are truly podcasts, probably the old Creative Screenwriting – my best friend would help organize and staff the screenings and Q&A’s and I love hearing fellow screenwriters talk shop.

What is your writing process?

I do a lot of noodling around with fragments of ideas, trying to find a world and a tone and a thematic idea that all resonate interestingly with one another.

You sort of dump everything out of the toybox and look for a couple of things to snap together like puzzle pieces, and then you start following that to figure out where it leads.

For my episode The Sounds Below, I knew I wanted to do a horror story, and to me the real horror is in human nature, so I thought about this quality people can have of trying to bargain with their fears instead of face them, and just made that literal in the form of Dr. Lebeaux’s shop.

For Scary Ride, it was the idea of turning this Haunted House environment upside-down and making the spirits real, but sad instead of frightening; and using that premise to explore how our fears can make us feel alone if we don’t admit to them.

What was the inspiration for Earbud theater?

Casey has always loved anthology storytelling like The Twilight Zone and Tales From the Crypt, just like I do. He had worked as a feature film executive at a major studio and realized that the high-budget end of filmmaking now is about extending these franchises that already exist rather than birthing new ideas.

But that raw material has to start somewhere – you need a medium that can gamble on new voices and new ideas, or else the creative ecosystem withers and dies. They’re raiding every comic book they can find right now but eventually they’ll run out of things they can make blockbusters out of.

Podcasting and anthology are an outstanding combined environment to nurture new stories. That philosophy also informs his work with Brick Moon Fiction, publishing short stories from the new generation of sci-fi/horror/fantasy authors.

That’s another podcast I would recommend to folks, especially because I narrate most of the stories myself!

What do you like about audio drama as a medium?

The rhythm of it is distinctive – it sits somewhere between a movie and a stage play in terms of dramatic flow.

My story Escape (the End of Humanity Song) is built around these very long dialogue scenes that let us get into the complex emotional terrain of this sibling relationship. The scenes would be 5, 6, even 9 pages long.

In screenwriting that would be death – you rarely let a dialogue scene go longer than 3 pages; while in the theater, too many scenes at that length can feel too short, it can give you whiplash. But that rhythm gives you a lot of space to create rich characters, and then not be hamstrung by having to cast someone by looks!

The audio also plays a really interesting role in creating a kind of confirmation bias in the listener’s mind – confirmation bias is a very under-recognized storytelling tool.

If one of the actors in Monday for the Sweepers just said “Ah, here we are in the woods!”, the audience thinks, “that’s B.S.”! But if you lay in those forest sounds first, then even if the audience doesn’t identify what it is right away, when the actors start talking about seeing squirrels in the trees, then the audience starts thinking “forest”, and because that sound has already been there for awhile, it feels legitimate and they’re totally plugged into the environment.

I never get tired of exploring that process of building dramatic credibility with the audience.

How does getting the script made into an actual audio drama work?

Once we decide to pull the trigger on a script, we start casting and scheduling. It’s a delicate process putting these sessions together, because I believe you get better performances when you have all the actors in the same space working off of each other.

But every extra character makes that exponentially more complicated. We’re doing this for effectively zero budget; so you want to respect the time of the performers you’re working with and find a block of time that inconveniences them the least.

We try to get it the whole show’s dialogue recorded in one night; but exceptions happen. With Scary Ride, the kids and the adults were recorded on completely separate nights, and it’s a credit to our director Christine Weatherup that the performances connect with one another so seamlessly that they ended up winning Audio Verse Awards.

Renaissance Man, I recall, was an insane hodgepodge because it had so many characters in it. I played two roles in that and I recorded them in my bedroom closet without ever meeting the rest of the cast or hearing their performances.

My newest episode, The Mektalos Caper, which I’m editing now, features the largest cast we ever got into a room at the same time, which allowed us to do really fun things like create sounds of crowds muttering or laughing or screaming.

Once the raw recordings are done, we assemble the dialogue cut. Just as in a movie, you’re selecting the best takes of each line (we usually have at least 2-3 readings) and splicing them together so that they flow just as if the actors performed it all perfectly with no interruptions.

I think listeners would be shocked if they knew just how often we’re switching between takes – sometimes an actor starts a sentence in take 1 and finishes it in take 3. As a finicky director, I love being able to control a dramatic pause down to the split second 🙂

From there, it goes into the effects editing phase, where we add in all of the non-dialogue sounds, as well as process the vocals to add little extra touches of environmental authenticity, or filter them to make them sound like phone calls, etc.

Early on, we had to grab sound effects from any free source we could find regardless of format or recording quality; Habitat can be hard to listen to for me now because I was doing all that mixing and editing myself with almost no training, and now it sounds super bumpy and messy to me. But as our team and assets have grown, so has the consistency and quality of the effects and soundscapes.

Craig Good, our post-production wizard, recorded an old refrigerator in his garage to get the subtle background hum of Raff and Knaack’s timeship in Monday for the Sweepers; that’s a level of artistry and control we just didn’t have back in the beginning.

Music also gets placed at this point, usually pre-made tracks from one of the incredibly generous composers out there sharing their work with a Creative Commons license. And then the final mix balances the relative volume and stereo placement of it all, so these noises work together rather than stepping all over one another.

When you do it right the work just disappears into this rich audio drama fabric, and you don’t notice that sometimes the whispers are the loudest moments because that makes dramatic sense in the moment.

While that process is going on, we’ve also assigned an artist, who creates the promotional visuals for the show. We’re all fitting our work in around paid jobs and don’t want to rush anything out unfinished, so sometimes it’s hard to peg a release date too far in advance, but once we have a sense for when the show will be ready, we start up the promotional machinery.

Finally, we upload the episode and then start obsessively watching the download stats, ha!

How do you go about getting others involved? Particularly if they’re far away?

On our non-budget you have to nurture relationships with people who enjoy the creative outlet first and foremost; so you just keep doing it and telling people you’re doing it and, uncannily, you start accumulating connections with people who are excited about the medium and want to contribute.

Craig Good, whom I mentioned, is located up in the Bay Area, so when it’s time for him to step in and start mixing, a whole lot of chunky files start flying back and forth through Dropbox. I’ve still never even met him in person!

Ashley F. Miller, who did the artwork for Monday for the Sweepers and wrote the love song for Boney McGee, lives in South Carolina and is a multi-talented longtime friend of mine.

Kevin Necessary does terrific artwork as well, he lives and works in Cincinnati where I grew up, and we were connected by a mutual Cincinnati friend – he’s an editorial cartoonist by day and Earbud lets him create pulpy, geeky stuff he can’t always do in his day job.

There’s a podcaster named Summer Brooks (shout-out, Slice of Sci-Fi!), after she interviewed us for her show we had her play one of the callers in 911 and she literally phoned in her performance from Arizona. Aurora Culver, who is the driving force behind our live shows, is both a friend and a super-fan of the show, as well as a hell of a theater producer/director, and it was her idea that those skills were the best way she could contribute to Earbud and it’s been a total game-changer.

Could you tell us a bit about the process to turn a script into a finished audio drama. Which part do you enjoy the most?

For me, the recording night is better than Christmas. It’s such a thrill to hear actors bring these words to life and add their creativity and personality.

We have so many huge laughs that happen in the room because of that accumulating creative energy. The writing is solitary, and the editing is also solitary and can be exhausting; but for that night, it’s just pure play with great people and I’m completely in love with it.

I’ll never forget recording The Sounds Below, as we got to that climax and Jill Cary Martin (who played Dr. Lebeaux) was just emotionally annihilating Chris (played by MacLeod Andrews), and I was getting full-body thrill chills at how awesome the two of them were.

I know I’m loving the work if I forget that I wrote it, ha!

Thanks once again Nicholas for this interview.

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